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TomButler (9/5/2008)
"Just 42 percent say Palin has the experience necessary to serve as president."from story: McCain and Obama campaigns grapple for 'change' - ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer JUST - Are 42% of Americans really that dumb! This really causes one to loose hope and trust in Americans if they can't see through this good speech maker and see an empty pretty face. In a word YES Evidence- the last eight years
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| <<Does it matter to you what word is used. But as usual you want to twist and turn a comment and then claim that someone has made your point. It's pathetic. >> Being shot down does not make anyone an hero. That was my complaint in the first post, the number of speakers than went on and on about him having been shot down and a prisoner of war. He is running for the Presidency not the ability to be shot down and the fact that he was shot down does nothing at all in any way to show that he would be a good President. That is the whole point of this whole exercise. For all of citizens to be able to figure out who would be the best President for every citizen of the US. <<The amount of time at the convention by a number of speakers in talking about his being shotdown and taken prisoner almost made it appear as if he lacks some of the planning and ideas to be the POTUS, instead of showing why he would be good for us.>>
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It should be obvious that those how have not, "Stood the watch." don't have a clue.
Words fail me.
They have never seen good men die or get captured.
They have no honor.
They have never, "Stood the watch."
Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do.
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| Tom Butler: So John McCain is dangerously old. Someone should have pointed that out to Abe Lincoln when he ran for president at age 51 when the life expectancy in this country for males was 39. Tell me Tom at what age is a presidential candidate not dangerously old in 2008. Is it 55 or 60 or 65? As far as Sarah Palin. Wow, It took her 7 years to graduate from college. Why's that Tom? Is she stupid? Was it for financial reasons? Family reasons? Do you even know. And she didn't even graduate with a law degree. How can anyone expect to become the vice president of the United States unless they're a lawyer? Can't believe that 42% of the American people think that she's qualified to be president just because she's a pretty face that can give a good speech? Then you must really have lost faith in the American people when 48% of the American people said they'd vote for Barrack Obama for the very same reason. I think you're a little more partisan than you want to admit Tom. Maybe a little more sexist and elitist too. That being a mom thing for a long time is a real problem for a politician isn't it. And of course you need that ivy league law degree to be really intelligent like Barrack Obama. Or you need to be a billionaire like Mitt Romney or Michael Bloomberg to really be qualified to run for the office. Common folks just don't cut it in this complicated political world do they?
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What I said was - I would have had less of a problem with McCain if picked a good backup...you completely skipped that portion of my post.
Here's the thing on Abe:
Lincoln didn't have that great of a VP either with his second term and it hurt the country quite a bit after he was shot. A good old boy from the South who was supposed to help unify the country after the war was Andrew Johnson and we knew how that went....So my example of history kind of proves my point there rather than yours.
One final point - airline pilots - Do you think that their job is more important or less important to our health and well being and personal security than the Commander in Chief?
I have no problem with a 73 year old airline pilot actually if he passes the test and also has a competent copilot. The point I am making here on Palin - She is an untested potential copilot as Obama is an untested pilot. However Biden is a competent copilot that in the likely event Obama wins the public should demand that he gives the helm to either Biden and/or most foreign policy decision control to a competent cabinet.
Sorry I come across as elitist, I have heard that before....I really love intellectual discourse and think that deep thoughtful research and I paid quite a bit of money for my advanced education, so let me actually let me try to use it a bit...hopefully for the public good here...that is the point.
Most everyone supports education as being one of the main keys to an advanced society, but then savage people on being "elitist" when they talk smart - This kind of attitude is a big problem from what I hear in the young black community and appears to be a problem with you here.
Knowledge is power and ignorance is evil and if that sounds elitist than so be it. Elitism to me is an absence of listening to any other opinion other than your own and not respecting people just because they either have less money, power or education than you just based on their credentials.
Just having an educated point of view is not elitism.
Sexist..never been called that before..ever. I am an equal opportunity bloviator here and sorry if you got that impression from my post if you genuinely were offended. If you were just attacking my post on personal character charges than you can go pound sand.
In real life I really love to be an entrepreneuer and do startups. My favorite business mentor, my guru is a younger woman - (Never really asked but appears to look under 40) and she is absolutely brilliant...I listen to her on business advise more than anyone - period.
Hillary was absolutely qualified to be President...I don't trust her principles much...kind of like McCain as of late.
Favorite person to listen to ever on Middle East Policy - Queen Noor of Jordan, she is the one of the most intelligent people I have ever listened to on Middle East foreign policy and she just happens to also be a beautiful woman...but that does not take anything away, nor hopefully add anything (I hope!) to the fact that she has the most thoughtful approach to bringing peace to the middle east I have ever heard from anyone and she is USA Ivy League educated.
Grammee..I hope this helps you understand me better and I would love to hear your feedback.....Every time I see your name I think good thoughts of Muhammed Yunus and the Grameen Bank...ever heard that one before?
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| One more thing Tom. To qualify to be vice president of the United States the candidate surely needs to possess qualities of honesty and integrity. Someone that always meets their personal and professional financial obligations for sure. Someone like Joe Biden comes to mind. Joe would never stiff a private air service company that provided him with private jet service during his brief presidential campaign out of $ 150,000 would he? Joe Biden would never tell a company like this that he wasn't going to pay them because his campaign was over and he didn't have the money would he. Even so Joe's got that comp coming to him. After all he's been a United States senator for 36 years and he's also a lawyer. Of course Joe could also make the argument that if Hilliary Clinton could owe millions of dollars in unpaid campaign debts he too should be able to do the same. After all he's the VP candidate and she's not.
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| "After two great speeches, Obama and Joe Biden, McCain and Palin, must now give us -- in detail -- where they plan to lead this nation" - Brian Howey I'd say that's a fair statement and observation to make, and accept that for what it is and should be. Now, if we can just get the news media to play it that way, equally and down the center. Hmm. Let the debates begin...anytime, anyplace as at least one of the candidates promised before the conventions, and again during one of the conventions. I'll settle for that. Anyone else?
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gingles (9/5/2008)
<<Does it matter to you what word is used. But as usual you want to twist and turn a comment and then claim that someone has made your point. It's pathetic. >> Being shot down does not make anyone an hero. That was my complaint in the first post, the number of speakers than went on and on about him having been shot down and a prisoner of war. He is running for the Presidency not the ability to be shot down and the fact that he was shot down does nothing at all in any way to show that he would be a good President. That is the whole point of this whole exercise. For all of citizens to be able to figure out who would be the best President for every citizen of the US. <<The amount of time at the convention by a number of speakers in talking about his being shotdown and taken prisoner almost made it appear as if he lacks some of the planning and ideas to be the POTUS, instead of showing why he would be good for us.>> Did Johnny McSame forget to mention he was a POW? You all know he was a POW,right?
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Grammeemtm (9/5/2008)
Tom Butler: So John McCain is dangerously old. Someone should have pointed that out to Abe Lincoln when he ran for president at age 51 when the life expectancy in this country for males was 39. Tell me Tom at what age is a presidential candidate not dangerously old in 2008. Is it 55 or 60 or 65? As far as Sarah Palin. Wow, It took her 7 years to graduate from college. Why's that Tom? Is she stupid? Was it for financial reasons? Family reasons? Do you even know. And she didn't even graduate with a law degree. How can anyone expect to become the vice president of the United States unless they're a lawyer? Can't believe that 42% of the American people think that she's qualified to be president just because she's a pretty face that can give a good speech? Then you must really have lost faith in the American people when 48% of the American people said they'd vote for Barrack Obama for the very same reason. I think you're a little more partisan than you want to admit Tom. Maybe a little more sexist and elitist too. That being a mom thing for a long time is a real problem for a politician isn't it. And of course you need that ivy league law degree to be really intelligent like Barrack Obama. Or you need to be a billionaire like Mitt Romney or Michael Bloomberg to really be qualified to run for the office. Common folks just don't cut it in this complicated political world do they? Grammy The fact that you think that RepubliCONS like Palin,Bush,McCain are common folk and Obama is some sort of elitist is absolutely hilarious to those that aren't sipping the kool-aide. Not necessarily saying that you're dumb and easily influenced.
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Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? You can get the dog neutered.
"I think I have wasted an hour of your time and I apologize for that". Glen Beck
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