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Posted 9/13/2008 5:36:17 PM


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I forget where I read it a few days ago, but has anybody heard if it is true, the article regarding the judge ordering Palin' family to leave the guy alone and quit screwing with the kids' heads or he'd be given custody? Or was it just a rumor?

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Posted 9/13/2008 7:21:17 PM
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JamieJensen (9/13/2008)
I forget where I read it a few days ago, but has anybody heard if it is true, the article regarding the judge ordering Palin' family to leave the guy alone and quit screwing with the kids' heads or he'd be given custody? Or was it just a rumor?


It's definitely true Jamie. I read it on Huffington Post this morning.
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Posted 9/13/2008 7:46:34 PM
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BarryFox (9/13/2008)
Here is some food for thought...

I got to thinking about this a bit last night (early this morning) when I returned home from work and checked out some of the threads here... Isn’t the Vice Presidential more ceremonial, cheerleader in nature until called upon?

Brown nosing if you will, rubbing elbows with domestic and foreign leaders, delivering messages on the part of the President of the free world... While reflecting on the responsibilities of this office / position, Sen. McCain had missed an opportunity to vet one of our very own...

A well traveled individual, with culinary, ethnic, and cultural diversity, with a written record that says he has been there, done that... A man with a tongue for taste, be it with a dark lager, or a true Italian set-down full course meal. Not sure if he has tried moose, yet, but my guess is he would be game for it, no pun intended...

So, with all that said, you ask why? I think he may still have a chance in the vetting process with today’s news out of Alaska... And what that might be you ask... click on and read.

http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/524697.html

If I weren’t already committed to Barrack, I would have to give The Food Guy a second look, after all, his culinary, cultural, and travel experiences far out weigh the current republican candidate, and I know his job performance rating has to be above Palin’s ratings or he wouldn’t still be at The Truth, after all things work a little differently in the private sector...

The other positive(s) is this... to the best of my knowledge, The Food Guy, Marshall King is NOT under investigation, and it just might bring Sen. McCain to town to vet Marshall... Well, I doubt the later is going to happen, as the republican party believes they have Indiana all sewed up if you will... To that I would retort, remember 1964? It may be too late, already... Just saying...

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Barry - the V.P. is just a bit more than a cheerleader. Maybe you are secretly fantasizing about Sarah??? I would stick to local politics if I were you.

Where are the new revelations in the link you provided? Same ol' allegations. Just wondering what you learned from the article. Yesterday you blathered on and on over Charles Gibson's interview only to realize that he was the one who gaffed, not Sarah.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26687065/

I believe Obama's campaign needs to make some strategy changes. These attacks and rumors are backfiring in a big way. If troopergate is the best story against her, Sarah's in pretty good shape. Nobody has much sympathy for a corrupt cop that tasers his kid, and threatens to kill his ex-wife's father.
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Posted 9/13/2008 8:46:41 PM
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jamie -- anyone .... have you seen the Annne Kilkenny [resident of Wasilla Alaska] "open letter" floating out and about?

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Posted 9/13/2008 9:17:55 PM
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Yes Tim. It's a fascinating letter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sarahpalin.asp

Have you heard about any other "open letters" from Alaskans floating around?

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Posted 9/13/2008 9:20:28 PM


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busybecca (9/13/2008)

It's definitely true Jamie. I read it on Huffington Post this morning.

 My, busybody, that sure was witty.   NOT.

It was Newsweek. You know, that place that Karl Rove works for:

....Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten's behavior and character. "Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse," the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: "Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives..."

...In monitoring how a joint-custody arrangement worked out, the judge said in his order that he would pay particular attention to problems noted by a "custody investigator," specifically "the disparagement of the father [Wooten] by the mother [Molly Hackett, Sarah Palin's sister] and her family members..."

"It is the mother's [Hackett's] responsibility to set boundaries for her relatives and insure [sic] they respect them, and the disparagement by either parent, or their surrogates is emotional child abuse," Judge Suddock wrote. He added that: "If the court finds it is necessary due to disparagement in the Mat-Su Valley [the area north of Anchorage where Palin and her extended family live], for the children's best interests, it [the court] will not hesitate to order custody to the father and a move into Anchorage..."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140/page/1

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Posted 9/13/2008 10:23:31 PM
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why it's ms. busy the trouble-maker .....  I thought one might find the letter fascinating indeed.....  As for other open letters, certainly I found others, but I did not find those to be quite as fascinating ....

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Posted 9/13/2008 11:08:06 PM
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Ahh yes Timmy, and I see that you've been stirring things up a little again today.

Looks like you really enjoy yourself here. Would you describe it as a pleasure or is it a real drag to spar with others?

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Posted 9/14/2008 2:47:47 AM
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    Gram, that is another not truth by McCain.

<<his former Syrian born financial benefactor, Tony Resko >>

"Rezko Reality

McCain misfires as he attacks Obama's home purchase.
Summary
On the defensive over the extent of multiple McCain homes, the GOP candidate strikes back. But his TV spot gives an oversimplified and misleading account of how Obama bought his own $1.6 million house in Chicago.
  • The ad says Chicago power broker Tony Rezko got "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers." But there's no evidence of any connection to the Obama home purchase. The $14 million was to build apartments for low-income seniors. Obama wrote a letter supporting the "worthy" project, but both men say Rezko didn't ask for the letter.
  • It says Rezko "purchased part of the property [Obama] couldn't afford." Rezko's wife did buy an adjoining tract but later sold the land at a profit. Obama paid market price for his home.
McCain launched the attack after Obama ran one capitalizing on McCain's inability to recall for an interviewer how many homes the McCains own. Obama's ad says it's seven. The best tally we've seen puts the figure at eight, counting all the apartments and homes owned by McCain's wife, Cindy, and various family trusts, for themselves and their children.
Analysis
On Aug. 21, Barack Obama released an ad chiding Sen. John McCain for his inability to remember how many houses he owns, and McCain responded the same day with a counterattack charging that Obama got help buying his house from a "convicted felon" who got $14 million in "political favors" from Obama. We find McCain's ad is careless with the facts and could easily leave a false impression.

John McCain 2008 TV Ad: "Housing Problem"

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Announcer
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Barack Obama knows a lot about housing problems.

One of his "biggest fundraisers" helped him buy his million-dollar mansion.

Purchasing part of the property he couldn't afford.

From Obama, Rezko got "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers."

Now, he's a convicted felon, facing jail.

That's a housing problem.

McCain:
I'm John McCain and I approved this message.
A $14 Million "Favor"?

McCain's ad opens by turning Obama's housing problem attack back on Obama. The narrator says Chicago real estate developer Tony Rezko, one of Obama's "biggest fundraisers" helped Obama buy his "million-dollar mansion" by purchasing property that Obama couldn't afford. The ad goes on to charge that Obama helped Rezko receive "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers," and it points out that Rezko is now a convicted felon.

It's untrue that Rezko got "$14 million from taxpayers" for himself, as the ad seems to be saying. The "help" to which it refers is a one-page letter Obama signed in October 1998 urging the city housing commissioner to support an apartment project for low-income senior citizens. A copy went to the state housing development authority. The 97-unit Cottage View Terrace, which opened in 2002, was funded with taxpayer money, and Tony Rezko was involved in developing the project.

But the deal did not put $14 million into Rezko's pocket. That figure represents the total development cost for the project. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Rezko and his partner, Allison Davis, netted about $855,000. That's not pocket change, but it's a far cry from $14 million. And the tenants of the building benefited too.

Moreover, the ad's claim that Obama wrote the letter as a favor to Rezko is without factual support. Both men deny that Rezko asked Obama to write them, and Obama says his district office frequently sent letters supporting "worthy" community projects, so routinely that "I wasn't even aware that we wrote the letter." Rezko's attorney, Joseph Duffy, told the Sun-Times in 2007 that "
Mr. Rezko never spoke with, nor sought a letter from, Senator Obama in connection with that project." And Obama told Sun-Times reporters in a March 2008 interview:
Obama (March 15, 2008): [He] did not solicit that from me. ... This was a project that was well-regarded in the community, has done well, and was supported on its own merits, and it was essentially a form letter of the sort that I did all [the] time.
Can support for a low-income housing project be a "favor" to the developer if the developer didn't ask for it? You decide.

Million-Dollar Mansion

As for that claim about Rezko helping Obama buy his house, well, we've dealt with that one before. The gist of the story: In 2005, Barack and Michelle Obama found a house that they wanted to purchase. The property had been divided into two parcels, one containing a house and the other undeveloped land. The owner had listed the properties separately. After considerable haggling, the seller accepted the Obamas' third bid of $1.65 million for the parcel containing the house. Tony Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining lot for $625,000.

When the Obamas wanted to increase the size of their yard, they approached the Rezkos about purchasing a strip of the adjacent parcel. Obama told the Sun-Times that a 10-foot strip of the 60-foot lot appraised for $40,000. The Obamas nevertheless paid Rita $104,500 (or 1/6 of the total purchase price of her lot) for the strip. In 2007, Rita sold the remaining lot for $575,000 (or roughly a $54,500 profit on the overall property).

McCain's ad, however, is worded in a way that could leave a false impression. It says Rezko "helped him buy his million-dollar mansion" by "purchasing part of the property he couldn't afford." That's true, but only because the seller wanted to sell the two parcels as a unit and the Obamas couldn't afford both. Rezko did not make a gift of any property to the Obamas. Furthermore, the fact that his wife sold her lot for more than she paid for it contradicts any suggestion that the Rezkos overpaid for their part of the deal as a way of getting the seller to lower the price to the Obamas for their part.


Convicted Felon

The McCain ad says of Rezko, "Now, he's a convicted felon." That's true; Rezko was indicted in 2006 and convicted of corruption charges on June 4, 2008. But those charges came after the 2005 Obama home purchase and had nothing to do with that or with the $14 million project mentioned in the ad.

Obama has conceded that purchasing the land from Rezko, whom Obama knew to be under investigation at the time, was "boneheaded." As we reported in December, Obama has donated campaign contributions from Rezko and his associates to charity.

What About That Obama Ad?

As we mentioned, McCain's ad was prompted by an Obama attack ad released earlier in the day. In that TV spot, Obama criticizes McCain for not knowing just how many houses he owns. The answer depends on what you count as a McCain-owned home. We're going with our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who decided that the McCain total is eight.

– by Joe Miller, with D'Angelo Gore
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     Not just McCain needs to check his "facts" before writing them.
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Posted 9/14/2008 2:54:44 AM
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    Another McCain not so true.

<<I'm not saying that white voters would never vote for a black president. I'm saying many of them won't this time because the black candidate is an extreme liberal >>

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Liberal Leanings


The ad also says Obama is "the Senate's 'most liberal,' " a claim that rests on flimsy evidence to say the least. It's based on one analysis of votes cast in 2007. Obama was ranked as the “most liberal senator” by a National Journal evaluation of voting records in 2007 – but that wasn’t the case during his first two years in the Senate, when he ranked 16th and 10th on the most-liberal scorecard. Obama also missed one-third of the 99 votes on which National Journal based its rankings last year, due to his campaign schedule.

We have no argument with the fact that Obama is liberal
– he is a Democrat, after all but we note the ad's claim rests on one evaluation of last year's votes. According to another analysis, this one of bill sponsorship by the independent site GovTrack.us, Obama is a "rank-and-file Democrat." That's a step below the ranking of "far-left."

– by Lori Robertson, with D'Angelo Gore
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